You really have to wonder how decisions like this can be made. Secondly you need to wonder what sort of person, bureaucrat or politician can receive information about hard ship and even suicide and continue to make things worse.

The only way I can describe it is that it is evil. Democracy? Yeah whatever.

I have emailed Jenny Macklin with no response. I recommend that you do the same. For no other reason then to bombard her with your stories and hopefully get some sort of response.

Email :

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DadinNZ Good worthwhile idea's now need to be worked through, so please do the same, "The squeaky gate gets the oil" or "Many email's cannot be ignored"

So drive the wedge in Mates :

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Gallipoli

Gallipoli was the site of an unsuccessful World War I Allied campaign (1915 and 1916) aimed at defeating the Ottoman Empire, opening up a second front against Austria - Hungary and Germany, and opening a supply route to Russia. Britain's First Lord of the Admiralty Winston Churchill proposed this plan, expecting secretary of war Lord Kitchener to supply the necessary land troops, but Kitchener did not fully support Churchill's plan.

An Anglo - French force (mostly ANZAC [Australia and New Zealand Army Corps]) landed at Gallipoli in April 1915, after four unsuccessful naval attacks; they met a stubborn land defense by the Ottoman Turks. Although suffering enormous losses, the Allies - including Italy by August - nearly succeeded in a breakthrough. Lack of Russian cooperation, faulty intelligence, and skillful tactics on the part of the Ottomans and Germans, however, led to a stalemate, then to Allied withdrawal in January 1916. Churchill became the scapegoat and lost his position.

So let's get together on this one , and make it a successful Gallipoli!

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It's do-able !

Colin still with a foot in the door.

Have you heard that these out of touch fools we call government are going to means test the baby bonus and give it out as welfare dockets to irresponsible parents because they want to be seen as being responsible with 'OUR' (the taxpayers) money.
Double standard or what ?????
I do not think that half of these elected officials could organise a piss up in a brewery.

No I haven't, but could you direct me to the source of information to question this new to me scenario please spike.
A Web Document or your own incoming mail info.
Am chasing down so much at Dids it would help me if you would.
Very best
Col

Hey Col. It has been all over the free to air tv news today. Take care mate
Chris

It was probably Matt Miller ( CSA CEO) and/or other CSA staff who put the positive votes on there, or someone with kids under thirteen who doesn't realise that the relief they are getting now will be taken from them once the kids hit thirteen.
Prove me wrong........

GOOD ONE spike, as the CSA and centrelink are the two most complained about Government Agency's ( used to be Servicing, but to serve people correctly it seems is soooo degrading and Agent sounds more like a hit man!) CSA if you are viewing these articles, please take note ! We are getting a little happier , though a long way to go.

Neb-Maat-ReNo it is not too late for the meeting,as that will happen when more facts are placed here.
Could I ask why you are both limited in visitation, also why your payments have risen. If you don't wish to reply here, send me a private email good Buddy.

And keep the input coming please

Col

Colin, I fail to see what further amunition you need. If you can't work out that people are having to pay more for a so called fairer system then you need your head read.

You guys (DIDS) were supposed to be looking after our interests in the first place before this ammendment came into place and it looks we were screwed anyway!

Who exactly is DIDS anyway??? I did notice they receieve funding from the government so that is maybe why sweet stuff all was achieved and we again are screwed.

It seems the more we hurt, the more we complain the worsts it gets. I can't see how telling you any more then the obvious will change anything.

If you can make a difference then do so and stop blowing your own horn.

Get results. Then tell us when you have done so. Other then that you are wasting everyone's time.

I can't remember the words exactly but there is a saying about how sounding off when only having a little bit of information can be dangerous.
Dids was NOT set up as a lobby group or a political organisation. The intention was to help seperated dads share the burden of being dealt a bad hand and to support each other.
Dids has been invited by numerous government agencies and other organisations to make representations about just how unfair it is for fathers after seperation.
A task they ( the majority of which are volunteers) have taken on with great enthusiasm.
Dids saves lives. Of this I have no doubt. I have volunteered with them for many years and can attest to that. They have been given government funding to establish and maintain support networks. Funded for that reason and that reason alone. They report back to the government and other organisations on a regular basis about what the issues are that make men suicide and about how biased our legal and child support systems are.
The fact that the government chooses to do little with the information they recieve is the issue here, not the ones trying to make the difference.
People like colin are fighting hard for you. And in spite of you questioning his motives he will continue to do so.
It is perfectly ok for you to feel hard done by. I do and I am sure Colin does as well for all the effort we have put into this.
The only hope seperated fathers have is if people find someone who is trying to make a difference and start helping them.
Hang in there
Chris

Hi Chris,

Thanks for outlining the good work that Dids do. It sounds likes you have made a difference by offering support and also trying to make the voice of frustrated fathers heard.

It seems though, that no one is listening. It is obvious that recommendations were made but with no effect. If that is case then what chance do we honestly have?

Hang in there? Does that mean I just have to put up with it until my child is 18?

Looks like it. Excuse my pessimism but I'll believe a change for the better when it is addressed in a letter from the CSA.

How long will it take????
How long is a piece of string
Mate, I gotta tell you it shits me to no end.
I look at it this way, if a shark took my leg it is a big part of me that is gone. never coming back, set in stone (so to speak)
At the moment the shark has my leg, but she will eventually let go.
Yes its going to hurt like hell for a while.
I will spend my time in the mean time gouging her f**** eyes out hoping she will let go.
Hang in there is a saying that gets me through ( look at where the comma is)
You can 'Hang in there'
or you can hang, in there

Hang in there
Chris

As far as I'm concerned - These civil libertarians need to shut there mouths..........Whats needed is that the system needs to get real.....

Untill Csa payments are linked to having access to your child - It won't matter what the formula is - It will never work.........