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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:41 am    Post subject: The Enemy Is Us Reply with quote

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Having attended three meetings, of course I have all the answers. Us - Men, are to blame for the poor legal outcomes in the 'Family (Divorce) Court.
Which sex has: more politically aware, involved and elected members? MEN
More Lawyers ?
More Judges ?
More Journo's?
This injustice could not go on, even in an imperfect democracy such as ours, without our collusion, connivance and consent!. Harsh words but true I believe.
Beneath a civilized veneere we act as cavemen. We compete with each other for female attention - before during and after marriage. Most of us coveted a neighbor's wife, some of us went further. It follows that usually, 'a weak and selfish bastard would leave his wife' or that he 'wasn't man enough to keep her' and therefore she dumped him, as in my case.
Either way, little sympathy, empathy or understanding outside of DID.
I understand and agree with the pragmatics of 'not fighting against a no fault divorce'. However, at least one person is partly at fault for not keeping to the vows and promises made. We are expected to be true to our word at other spheres of our lives.
Furthemore, I will go out on a limb and say that on a societal and political level, devalueing the marriage contract and institution, 'white ants' a nation constituted from family building blocks. Similarly, men are needlessly devalued and denigrated thorough ideology that is reluctant to acknowledged the unique role of women as mothers in a nuclear family.
Thus sometimes we deceive and betray our fellow men; and, too often we let them down by thoughtlessly accepting 'progressive' policies blinded by particular political philosophy and alligence.
I was let down by too many family and friends. Friends who 'don't want to take sides' hence do not offer the support other deception would elicit. If this is as true to your experience, as in mine and my friends' lives, then the few hundred DID members can make little difference for a long time.
Blaming Judges, politicians etc. is not going to do it they are not the enemy, they are our collective dysfunction. javascript:emoticon('Mad')
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G'day fun,
I agree in essence with what you say; however not fully. Societies 'values' are changing. (not sure that values is the correct word) Where once society believed a mother always knew what was best for a child and that the mother should be the primary carer. Now we have many fathers as the primary carer or 50/50 and fathers (more often than not) have equal say in decisions for their children.
It is a slow process, but it is happening.
DIDs and a few other organizations are leading the way with these and more changes. Without someone or some organization leading the way, there can be no followers.
I have found DIDs is the only organization that has the true understanding of my situation. Why? Because all the members of DIDs have been there, done that, or in the process. It is unreasonable of us to expect out friends to understand what we are going through. It's all foreign to them, they have no understanding, therefore no interest. Haven't you noticed that if you start to tell a friend what the latest happening in your situation are, they get that glazed over look in their eyes. We can't condemn them for that, we need to accept it. I am sure some of my friends think I make up some of what has happened in my situation because the Trogg’s behavior is not the behavior one would expect from a normal person. Lets face it, we were once madly in love with our ex's. We thought they were normal then.
Without DIDs I would certainly have been 'just another statistic.
Not all our situations/circumstances are the same, but there are similarities within. In this forum we can extract those similarities and the remedial actions that go along with them.
I believe the rate of change within the FCA, FMC and C$A (to name a few) will gain momentum in the next 3 - 4 years.
Chin up fun, you and I are lucky, we found DIDs in time.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:49 pm    Post subject: Social change Reply with quote

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Hi dadycool,
I wrote out of frustration and in response to 'calls to arms' and protest in other postings.
I am optimistic though frustrated with the slow rate of change in the ways fathers are valued and understood within families.
I would appreciate a list of the change promoting organiztions you mentioned. It took me months to find DIDS. I would like to try and possibly participate.javascript:emoticon('Cheers')
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:52 am    Post subject: Organisations promoting change in Family Law Reply with quote

One of the most active organisations promoting changes to Family Law is the Shared Parenting Council of Australia (SPCA). The don't make a lot of noise publicly, but are very very active behind the scenes.

Lone Fathers Asociation of Australia (LFAA) is also very active

Family Law Reform Association (FLRA)

Men's Rights Agency (MRA)

Fatherhood Foundation

are but a few.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:23 pm    Post subject: Call to Arms: Life prolonging Medication - Discrimination Reply with quote

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Thanks OneAdad,
Now I'll have more stuff to feed what threatens to become my latest addiction. Seriously, I am not dependant on this forum (yet), but, it helps with managing my mood states.

I heard Tony Abbot - our esteemed health Minister on the ABC: A life prolonging drug for Prostate Cancer Sufferers (males) will become available for $5-$28 per Course Treatment, instead of $18,000. The same drug was available to Ovarian and Breast Cancer sufferers (females) for approximately 10 years! Mad

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